Comments on: How Enlightened Was the Enlightenment? http://www.trevor-lloyd.co.uk/2006/02/23/how-enlightened-was-the-enlightenment/ The blog of Trevor Lloyd, Christian pastor and teacher. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:45:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on How Enlightened Was the Enlightenment? by: kim http://www.trevor-lloyd.co.uk/2006/02/23/how-enlightened-was-the-enlightenment/#comment-589 Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:58:38 +0000 http://www.trevor-lloyd.co.uk/2006/02/23/how-enlightened-was-the-enlightenment/#comment-589 Do you consider the enlightenment to have bequeated to us anything of positive value? I'm wondering especially about democratic principles? As you know, I love the blog and the 'food for thought' it provides for us readers out in cyberspace. Thank you for your hard work. Do you consider the enlightenment to have bequeated to us anything of positive value? I’m wondering especially about democratic principles?

As you know, I love the blog and the ‘food for thought’ it provides for us readers out in cyberspace. Thank you for your hard work.

]]> Comment on How Enlightened Was the Enlightenment? by: Matthew http://www.trevor-lloyd.co.uk/2006/02/23/how-enlightened-was-the-enlightenment/#comment-547 Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:00:15 +0000 http://www.trevor-lloyd.co.uk/2006/02/23/how-enlightened-was-the-enlightenment/#comment-547 But there will always be spirits in the machine![Ecclesiastes 3:11] But there will always be spirits in the machine![Ecclesiastes 3:11]

]]> Comment on How Enlightened Was the Enlightenment? by: Amie http://www.trevor-lloyd.co.uk/2006/02/23/how-enlightened-was-the-enlightenment/#comment-536 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:17:56 +0000 http://www.trevor-lloyd.co.uk/2006/02/23/how-enlightened-was-the-enlightenment/#comment-536 Hey Trevor, I hope everything is going well with you and you're having a great time both with the students down here in Cardiff and back in Huddersfield!Great blog by the way! As I was just reading this entery my memory was ushered to something that Francis Schafer wrote in his book 'Escape From Reason'. Truley great stuff! It's quite long, but I hope you enjoy it anyway: “The early scientists believed in the uniformity of natural causes. What they did not believe in was the uniformity of natural causes in a closed system. That little phrase makes all the difference…between natural science and a science that is rooted in naturalistic philosophy… Under the influence of the presupposition of the uniformity of natural causes in a closed system, the machine does not merely embrace the sphere of physics, it now encompasses everything. Earlier thinkers would have rejected this totally. Leonardo Da Vinci…understood that if you begin rationalistically with mathematics, all you have is particulars and therefore you are left with mechanics. Having understood this he hung on to his pursuit of the universal… but now the autonomous lower storey has eaten up the upstairs completely. The modern 'modern' scientists insist on a total unity of the downstairs and the upstairs and the upstairs disappears. Neither God nor freedom are there any more – everything is in the machine…whenever you make up one autonomous section below, the result is that the lower eats up the upper... When nature is made autonomous it soon ends up by devouring God, grace, freedom and eventually man” Hey Trevor, I hope everything is going well with you and you’re having a great time both with the students down here in Cardiff and back in Huddersfield!Great blog by the way! As I was just reading this entery my memory was ushered to something that Francis Schafer wrote in his book ‘Escape From Reason’. Truley great stuff! It’s quite long, but I hope you enjoy it anyway:

“The early scientists believed in the uniformity of natural causes. What they did not believe in was the uniformity of natural causes in a closed system. That little phrase makes all the difference…between natural science and a science that is rooted in naturalistic philosophy… Under the influence of the presupposition of the uniformity of natural causes in a closed system, the machine does not merely embrace the sphere of physics, it now encompasses everything. Earlier thinkers would have rejected this totally. Leonardo Da Vinci…understood that if you begin rationalistically with mathematics, all you have is particulars and therefore you are left with mechanics. Having understood this he hung on to his pursuit of the universal… but now the autonomous lower storey has eaten up the upstairs completely. The modern ‘modern’ scientists insist on a total unity of the downstairs and the upstairs and the upstairs disappears. Neither God nor freedom are there any more – everything is in the machine…whenever you make up one autonomous section below, the result is that the lower eats up the upper…

When nature is made autonomous it soon ends up by devouring God, grace, freedom and eventually man”

]]> Comment on How Enlightened Was the Enlightenment? by: Bill Clark http://www.trevor-lloyd.co.uk/2006/02/23/how-enlightened-was-the-enlightenment/#comment-534 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:59:06 +0000 http://www.trevor-lloyd.co.uk/2006/02/23/how-enlightened-was-the-enlightenment/#comment-534 I'm gald to hear that you are teaching such material at the School. It is so important that we understand some of the background and philosophies that still seem to shape the world in which we live. Have you seen Bonhoeffer's book "Christ at the Center"? I’m gald to hear that you are teaching such material at the School. It is so important that we understand some of the background and philosophies that still seem to shape the world in which we live. Have you seen Bonhoeffer’s book “Christ at the Center”?

]]> Comment on How Enlightened Was the Enlightenment? by: Andrew http://www.trevor-lloyd.co.uk/2006/02/23/how-enlightened-was-the-enlightenment/#comment-532 Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:47:02 +0000 http://www.trevor-lloyd.co.uk/2006/02/23/how-enlightened-was-the-enlightenment/#comment-532 Trevor, thanks for a great day's teaching, sorry to have missed you today. Reason and unfounded human optimism will indeed lead to nowhere - but with wisdom from above we shall see it. In Huddersfield & the nations ancient ruins shall be rebuilt; you shall raise up the foundations of many generations; you shall be called the repairer of the breach, the restorer of streets to dwell in! Trevor, thanks for a great day’s teaching, sorry to have missed you today. Reason and unfounded human optimism will indeed lead to nowhere - but with wisdom from above we shall see it. In Huddersfield & the nations ancient ruins shall be rebuilt; you shall raise up the foundations of many generations; you shall be called the repairer of the breach, the restorer of streets to dwell in!

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