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	<title>Comments on: Communicating To Those Outside The Church</title>
	<link>http://www.trevor-lloyd.co.uk/2006/05/11/communicating-with-those-outside-the-church/</link>
	<description>The blog of Trevor Lloyd, Christian pastor and teacher.</description>
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 		<title>Comment on Communicating To Those Outside The Church by: Cameron Fraser</title>
		<link>http://www.trevor-lloyd.co.uk/2006/05/11/communicating-with-those-outside-the-church/#comment-1915</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 15:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Trevor...

I was reading 'The God Who is There', by Francis Schaffer, recently and was really intrigued about what he said about guilt (I think it has some relevance to your question - specifically as a way to talk about sin).

Schaffer notes that a 'modern' understanding of guilt tends to be limited to feelings of guilt that one might have about things that they have done that they later regret (Like that time I said something really nasty to the girl at work who drives me nuts.  She cried and I felt like such a heel).

Schaffer encourages his readers to challenge people to understand guilt in the Biblical sense.

&quot;Christ died for man who had true moral guilt because man had made a real and true choice.&quot;

In this sense, people are guilty because they have done something wrong (not feeling guilty because they did something they wish they hadn't).  This is the Biblical sense of sin; not acts that we feel bad about, or things that are generally agreed upon as harmful to society, but actions that make us guilty before God.

I remember many productive conversations at University that surrounded such topics.  I didn't have Schaffer's knack for putting things just so, but I do think that this is a helpful way to make the concept of 'sin' understood.

Looking forward to seeing you in Cardiff.

Cameron Fraser</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Trevor&#8230;</p>
	<p>I was reading &#8216;The God Who is There&#8217;, by Francis Schaffer, recently and was really intrigued about what he said about guilt (I think it has some relevance to your question - specifically as a way to talk about sin).</p>
	<p>Schaffer notes that a &#8216;modern&#8217; understanding of guilt tends to be limited to feelings of guilt that one might have about things that they have done that they later regret (Like that time I said something really nasty to the girl at work who drives me nuts.  She cried and I felt like such a heel).</p>
	<p>Schaffer encourages his readers to challenge people to understand guilt in the Biblical sense.</p>
	<p>&#8220;Christ died for man who had true moral guilt because man had made a real and true choice.&#8221;</p>
	<p>In this sense, people are guilty because they have done something wrong (not feeling guilty because they did something they wish they hadn&#8217;t).  This is the Biblical sense of sin; not acts that we feel bad about, or things that are generally agreed upon as harmful to society, but actions that make us guilty before God.</p>
	<p>I remember many productive conversations at University that surrounded such topics.  I didn&#8217;t have Schaffer&#8217;s knack for putting things just so, but I do think that this is a helpful way to make the concept of &#8217;sin&#8217; understood.</p>
	<p>Looking forward to seeing you in Cardiff.</p>
	<p>Cameron Fraser
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